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		<title>Starting Seeds Indoors Under Lights</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David LaFerney</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Starting your own garden plants inside under lights is easy and can save hundreds of dollars compared to buying commercially grown plants.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 586px"><a href="http://www.doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/starting-seed-under-lights.JPG"><img class=" " title="seedlings growing under lights" src="http://www.doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/starting-seed-under-lights.JPG" alt="seedlings growing under lights" width="576" height="432" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Seedlings growing under lights</p></div>
<p>I started some seeds today in my &#8220;plant work room&#8221; and I thought you might be interested.  I start seeds in regular plastic nursery trays that I get from a local greenhouse &#8211; and that I save from store-bought plants.  I do recycle my plant containers from year to year -  If you reuse containers like this you really should wash them thoroughly in a weak bleach solution and dry them in the sun before storing them away for reuse.  Or so I&#8217;ve heard &#8211; I might try that some day.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 442px"><a href="http://www.doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/plant-your-seeds.JPG"><img class=" " title="just planted flat" src="http://www.doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/plant-your-seeds.JPG" alt="just planted flat" width="432" height="576" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">just planted flat</p></div>
<p>This year I&#8217;m planting in commercial soil mix, because I just don&#8217;t have any <a href="http://doorgarden.com/10/easy-organic-compost">compost</a> that is ready right now to make into <a href="http://doorgarden.com/12/potting-soil-from-compost">home made potting soil</a>.  Anyway, fill your containers with soil and plant your seeds at the  recommended depth.  Most of what I planted today is in the cabbage family, and needs to be about 1/2 inch deep.  I just use a finger to poke holes about that deep, drop 2-3 seeds into each one and then sprinkle with more soil to cover.  I&#8217;m using pretty small divisions &#8211; 72 plants per tray &#8211; because I plan to plant out these cold season plants under row covers or in the greenhouse as soon as they are big enough to handle.  If I thought that I would have to hold them for a while I would probably start them in larger divisions to begin with.</p>
<p>BTW, I am also test germinating some seeds that I saved last year &#8211; by planting 10 seeds per container to see how many come up.  Assuming that some of them germinate I can just multiply the number of seedlings by 10 to get the success rate as a percentage.  Other than using 10 seeds per container they are done exactly the same way as everything else.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 442px"><a href="http://www.doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/watering-seeds.JPG"><img class=" " title="watering a flat" src="http://www.doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/watering-seeds.JPG" alt="watering a flat with a spray bottle" width="432" height="576" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Using a spray bottle to water the planted trays gives good control.</p></div>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that the least messy way for me to water trays is by misting with a spray bottle &#8211; every other method that I&#8217;ve used results in muddy water running everywhere and only a little soaking in.  Check soil moisture every day until you&#8217;re sure that it has stabilized where you want it &#8211; moist, but not dripping wet.</p>
<p>Note that you need to label your trays &#8211; I use recycled pieces of plastic mini blinds.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 586px"><a href="http://doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/mini-greenhouse.JPG"><img class=" " title="plastic seed starting chamber" src="http://doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/mini-greenhouse.JPG" alt="plastic seed starting chamber" width="576" height="432" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">A plastic seed starting chamber like this is very handy, but not absolutely required.  You will have to remove it soon after your plants emerge, but until then it helps to keep the soil evenly moist and the air warm and humid.  If you don&#39;t have one of these just lay a sheet of plastic right on top until you see plants starting to emerge.</p></div>
<p>Then cover with one of these plastic domes if you have one.  If you don&#8217;t have one of these you can simply drape a piece of saran wrap over the tray, but if you do that you will have to remove it as soon as you see plants emerging from the soil.  The cover holds the moisture in so that you shouldn&#8217;t have to water again until it&#8217;s removed.</p>
<div id="attachment_1389" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 586px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-1389" href="http://doorgarden.com/02/starting-seeds-indoors-under-lights/the-grow-room-setup"><img class="size-full wp-image-1389 " title="the-grow-room-setup" src="http://doorgarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/the-grow-room-setup.jpg" alt="the grow light setup" width="576" height="432" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">My simple grow light setup uses regular 4&#39; shop lights and bulbs - not expensive &quot;grow&quot; lights.</p></div>
<p>I use plain old 40 watt flourescent shop lights to start my plants indoors and it works great.  As you can see the fixtures are just sitting on top of props that I have made out of one by six scraps, but you can use whatever you have.  You want the lights to be as close to the plant trays as is practical or your plants will grow tall and leggy.   Now that compact florescent lights are widely available you could also use those in any lamp fixture that you have.  You can easily get CFLs which are equivalent to  a 100 watt incandescent light  &#8211; should be great for a smaller operation.</p>
<p>Last year I built a very <a href="http://doorgarden.com/02/home-made-bottom-heat-seed-starting">simple bottom heat system</a> which has made a tremendous improvement in my success rate for starting all kinds of seeds.   If you don&#8217;t have bottom heat, then try to keep the soil as warm as possible <strong>24 hours a day</strong>.  On top of a refrigerator or an upright freezer is a good place or on a shelf right over your water heater or a heat appliance.  The regular average room temperature of your house is probably not warm enough for best results.  The lights also won&#8217;t really work to keep the soil warm because they won&#8217;t be on 24 hours a day.  If you look at this <a href="http://doorgarden.com/02/garden-when-to-plant-guide">planting soil temperature chart </a>you will see that most plants want the soil temp to be around 80 degrees Fahrenheit for best germination.  If at all possible use some form of bottom heat.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 490px"><a href="http://www.doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/light-timer.JPG"><img title="light timer" src="http://www.doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/light-timer.JPG" alt="light timer" width="480" height="640" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">A simple analog light timer is all y0u need for starting your own plants, but you need one that is big enough to handle the load of all of the lights that you are going to plug into it.</p></div>
<p>For good results you <strong>must</strong> have a timer to control your lights.  Erratic lighting or 24 hour day lengths will be bad for many plants.  Be sure that you use a timer which is rated high enough for the total wattage of lights that you will be using.   Set the on period to correspond with or extend the  actual  daylight hours &#8211; in other words don&#8217;t try to have your plants day and night be opposite of the real day and night otherwise ambient light will interrupt their sleep just like it would yours.  I set mine to go on at sunrise and off at about 8 PM.  I currently have the day length set for about 13 1/2 hours, but when I start planting tomatoes and peppers in a few weeks I will increase that to about 16 hours of light per day.</p>
<p>Once I start this process every winter I love to get out in the plant room to visit and check on my plants.  The warm moist air and the smell of clean soil and growing things along with the sun light coming through the windows really takes the edge off of winter for me.  That and a cup of coffee is a great way to start the day.   Round up some seeds and soil, and see if it doesn&#8217;t lift your spirits as well.</p>
<div id="attachment_1392" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 586px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-1392" href="http://doorgarden.com/02/starting-seeds-indoors-under-lights/the-plant-room"><img class="size-full wp-image-1392 " title="the-plant-room" src="http://doorgarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/the-plant-room.jpg" alt="My plant room" width="576" height="432" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">My humble plant work room.  Really just a small well insulated room on the side of my garage with 4 windows, and a concrete floor that I don&#39;t have to worry about getting dirty.  The light bench is sitting on top of 5 steel barrels full of water for thermal mass which help to moderate the temperature.  You can see the rope light that powers my bottom heat there at the lower right.  On the far end of the bench I have just enough counter space to pot things up.  I love it.</p></div>
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		<title>Home Made Bottom Heat for Seed Starting (or pet bed)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David LaFerney</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The answer was simple&#8230; I built our &#8220;plant room&#8221; about 2 years ago &#8211; just a small well insulated room with a lot of windows and shop lights &#8211; and since then I&#8217;ve tried starting my own seeds with varying degrees of success.  The problem that I&#8217;ve had is that over night temperatures in the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 490px"><a href="http://doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/tomatoes-under-lights-4-weeks.JPG"><img title="tomatoes grown under lights" src="http://doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/tomatoes-under-lights-4-weeks.JPG" alt="These tomatoe plants were grown under shop lights in only 4 weeks from planting the seeds!" width="480" height="360" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">I always had problems starting seeds in our plant room, but these tomato plants were grown under shop lights in only 4 weeks from planting the seeds!</p></div>
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<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 420px"><a href="http://doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/seed-starts-under-lights.JPG"><img title="Week old seedlings under lights" src="http://doorgarden.com/images/growing-under-lights/seed-starts-under-lights.JPG" alt="These seedlings were planted only one week ago.  I used to wait weeks for germination that was spotty at best in my cool plant grow room." width="410" height="307" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">These seedlings were planted only one week ago.  I used to wait weeks for germination that was spotty at best in my cool plant grow room.</p></div>
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<div class="mceTemp">The answer was simple&#8230;</div>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 490px"><a href="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/bottom-heat-spacers.JPG"><img title="Home made bottom heat under construction" src="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/bottom-heat-spacers.JPG" alt="Recycling rope lights turn out to be a great way to make bottom heat for seed starting under lights." width="480" height="360" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Recycled rope lights turn out to be a great way to make bottom heat for seed starting under lights.</p></div>
<p>I built our &#8220;plant room&#8221; about 2 years ago &#8211; just a small well insulated room with a lot of windows and shop lights &#8211; and since then I&#8217;ve tried starting my own seeds with varying degrees of success.  The problem that I&#8217;ve had is that over night temperatures in the room routinely fall into the 50s which is fine for maintaining tender plants over the Winter, but makes seed germination spotty at best.  I knew that what I needed was bottom heat.</p>
<p>The thing is that retail bottom heat is expensive &#8211; I saw one &#8220;kit&#8221; at a local garden center that was big enough for 2 flats and was $79 &#8211; wow!  You can buy a lot of tomato plants for eighty bucks!  A low cost alternative had to be possible for a dedicated scrounger like myself.</p>
<p>Whatever I decided upon had to be:</p>
<ol>
<li>Safe &#8211; neither an electrical shock nor a fire hazard!</li>
<li>Cheap</li>
<li>Simple</li>
<li>Big  enough to start all of our early Spring seeds.</li>
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<p>Before proceeding &#8211; You the reader must agree that you will not hold the author or anyone associated with doorgarden.com responsible for your use of this information.  What you see being done in this article may not be safe (and probably isn&#8217;t), and could cause injury, death, destruction, mayhem, fire, dammage to your home, and prolong the economic downturn by preventing you from spending money and thereby stimulating the economy.  It might not even work.  In any event <strong>thou shalt not hold me responsible</strong>.  If you don&#8217;t agree with any of that then turn back now &#8211; don&#8217;t even look at the pictures.<span id="more-598"></span></p>
<p>After quite alot of thought I decided to use <strong>rope lights</strong> for the heat source &#8211; here&#8217;s what I did&#8230;</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 490px"><a href="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/bottom-heat-rope-lights.JPG"><img title="Rope lights for bottom heat for seed starting" src="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/bottom-heat-rope-lights.JPG" alt="Rope lights going in over insulation board" width="480" height="360" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Rope lights going in over insulation board</p></div>
<p>I already had a section of shelf in the plant room that was about 2 feet wide and 8 feet long that I wanted to use.  I put a 1/2 inch layer of styrofoam insulation board over the 1/2 inch OSB (chipboard) shelf and then loosely fastened the rope lights over that. This took 3 20&#8242; lengths of rope light.  <em>Note &#8211; after using this for a few days I would say that 2 strings of lights would be plenty for this size bench &#8211; I might rework mine to make that adjustment.</em></p>
<p>These rope lights are rated for exterior use and are double insulated.  They are safe for wet locations and direct contact with flammable materials like wood because they only get slightly warm.  Neither a shock nor fire hazard.  They were used at one time for outside lighting but hadn&#8217;t been used in a couple of years.</p>
<p>Because they are double insulated they don&#8217;t even need to be plugged into a GFIC outlet, and in fact it wouldn&#8217;t serve any purpose to do so, because they don&#8217;t have a ground post on the plug.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 490px"><a href="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/rope-lights-detail-wire-tie.JPG"><img title="rope lights for bottom heat fastener detail" src="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/rope-lights-detail-wire-tie.JPG" alt="The rope lights are fastened down using screws and wire ties that have holes for this purpose." width="480" height="360" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The rope lights are fastened down using screws and wire ties that have holes for this purpose.</p></div>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 490px"><a href="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/wire-tie-with-hole.JPG"><img title="zip tie with hole" src="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/wire-tie-with-hole.JPG" alt="zip ties with the holes for screws like this are extremely handy - look for them in the electrical wiring section of the home improvement store." width="480" height="360" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">zip ties with the holes for screws like this are extremely handy - look for them in the electrical wiring section of the home improvement store.</p></div>
<p>Then I put in strips of 1 inch insulation board to act as spacers.  Looks kind of festive doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p><a href="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/bottom-heat-spacers-in-place.JPG"><img class="alignnone" title="rope light seed starter with spacers in place" src="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/bottom-heat-spacers-in-place.JPG" alt="" width="480" height="360" /></a></p>
<p>Then I topped that all off with a layer of 1/2 inch drywall&#8230;</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 490px"><a href="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/bottom-heat-drywall.JPG"><img title="drywall going in on top of home made bottom heat seed starter" src="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/bottom-heat-drywall.JPG" alt="Drywall going on top (I didnt fasten it in place at all)" width="480" height="360" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Drywall going on top (I didn&#39;t fasten it in place at all)</p></div>
<p>Drywall is relatively fire resistant, and has good thermal properties so that the heat will be nice and even without hot and cold spots, but this kind isn&#8217;t at all water proof so I topped it all off with a left over sheet of vinyl flooring&#8230;</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 370px"><a href="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/bottom-heat-vinyl.JPG"><img title="Vinyl floor material going over the rope light seed starter" src="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/bottom-heat-vinyl.JPG" alt="I already had this nice big scrap of vinyl floor, otherwise I could have used a scrap of vinyl or rubber roofing, pool liner, shower curtain, or plain old plastic sheet." width="360" height="480" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">I already had this nice big scrap of vinyl floor, otherwise I could have used a scrap of vinyl or rubber roofing, pool liner, shower curtain, or plain old plastic sheet.</p></div>
<p>Here&#8217;s an end view showing the layers (except the vinyl floor)&#8230;</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 490px"><a href="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/bottom-heat-end-view.JPG"><img title="End view - rope light bottom heat" src="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/bottom-heat-end-view.JPG" alt="Most of the heat from the rope lights is directed by the insulation to go up through the seed starter." width="480" height="360" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Most of the heat from the rope lights is directed by the insulation to go up through the seed starter.</p></div>
<p>From the top you have &#8211; 1/2&#8243;  Drywall, rope lights and spacers made of 1&#8243; EPS board, 1/2&#8243; styrofoam, and 1/2&#8243; wooden osb (chip board) on the bottom.  It&#8217;s all sitting on top of recycled 55 gallon drums full of water which act as thermal mass to moderated the temperature in the room.  You could probably use wood for all of the parts and it would be safe and work just fine, but I didn&#8217;t feel 100% comfortable doing that since I&#8217;m using the rope lights for something that they weren&#8217;t really designed for.  I did not close up the holes in the end.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 490px"><a href="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/plant-room-seed-starting-2.JPG"><img title="seed starting on a bottom heated plant bench" src="http://doorgarden.com/images/bottom-heat/plant-room-seed-starting-2.JPG" alt="Heres the system with fresh planted flats." width="480" height="360" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Here&#39;s the system with fresh planted flats.</p></div>
<p>The surface of the finished bench is just slightly warm to the touch, and the soil in the flats feels just like it would on a sunny day in May &#8211; should be just about right.  When I have actual results I&#8217;ll post some pictures.</p>
<p>In the planning stages I thought that an 8&#8242; by 2&#8242; starting area would be really roomy, but after my lovely wife commandeered 5 of the 8 slots for her flower starts I realized that it isn&#8217;t too big at all.  Barely adequate in fact.</p>
<ul>
<li>The bottom heat stays on 24 hours a day.</li>
<li>The lights are on a timer which turns them on for about 17 hours a day.</li>
<li>When using florescent lights for plant starting the lights need to be very close to the soil / tops of the plants to keep them from getting leggy &#8211; even then they are not nearly as bright as the sun.</li>
<li>The air temperature in the plant room stays above 55° F.</li>
<li>Once the plants are a couple inches tall (probably about a month) I intend to move them out to the garden, <a href="http://doorgarden.com/10/50-dollar-hoop-house-green-house">greenhouse</a>, or <a href="http://doorgarden.com/01/cheap-cold-frame-from-recycled-materials">cold frame</a> depending on the plant.</li>
</ul>
<p>Note that I planned and built this project with an eye toward utilizing materials that I already had on hand &#8211; didn&#8217;t buy a single thing.  You should taylor your own projects similarly to use the materials, tools, skills, and spaces that you have available to you.  Some alternative ideas that I considered:</p>
<ul>
<li>Light bulbs mounted under a shelf that would be like a shallow open bottomed box. &#8211; This could probably work all right but would be more likely to be a shock or fire hazard.</li>
<li>Recycling a water bed heater. &#8211; This would probably work, but I didn&#8217;t have a water bed heater.</li>
<li>Cement board tile underlayment instead of drywall.  &#8211; Good idea, but would have required the outlay of cash. I already had drywall scraps.</li>
<li>Bedding the rope lights in sand so that it would be completely surrounded by fire proof thermal mass. &#8211; This would probably work great, and I almost did it like that.</li>
<li>Bedding the rope lights in drywall joint compound or mortar for the same reasons of fire safety and thermal mass. &#8211; This would also probably work great, but if the rope lights died it would make it a huge job to replace them.  Also it would be a big messy job to put it together.</li>
<li>Using a small space heater under an open bottomed shelf. &#8211; Everything would have to be made out of fire proof material for this to be safe.</li>
<li>A lower level of shop lights to bottom heat an upper level of seedlings. &#8211; This would be a likely shock hazzard because of excess water running down onto the lights, and you wouldn&#8217;t be able to use the bottom heat 24 hours a day.</li>
<li>If / when electric heat was not an option heat could be supplied by a layer of hot compost under a <a href="http://doorgarden.com/01/cheap-cold-frame-from-recycled-materials">cold frame</a> &#8211; This is called a hot bed.</li>
</ul>
<p>After running this for a few days it has occured to me that something like this would make a really nice heated dog or cat bed.  Just a thought.</p>
<p><strong>Update:</strong> I planted a variety of seeds one week ago tomorrow, and almost everything has already come up including some stevia seeds that are supposed to be hard / slow to germinate. <strong> This works.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Update 2: </strong>A couple of things that I would do different and will probably change &#8211; My bottom heat covers an area about 8&#8242; long by 2 feet wide which is great, but it would be getter if I could independantly turn it on and off in 4 foot sections, for when I&#8217;m not using all of the area<strong>. </strong>By the way, after about a month of use I&#8217;m astounded by how well this works!</p>
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